[Sunny Swing]

Like I said, I think I understand the technical issues. But that's not the point, because your post doesn't answer yet the very simple question I have asked : "dear admin, could you certify all your users that you weill NEVER update PHP ?".

As for free hosting, it's true that we can get free hosting @ 000WebHost (and elsewhere), but that doesn't mean that we don't have the right to complain constructively. Not to mention that 000WebHost also provides paid hosting, and I think such users do have the right to complain constructively too.

[Sogo7]

Make your mind up, first you want everbody to be upgraded kicking and screaming if needed. Now you want an assurance that no upgrade will ever take place.

Web standards are mercurial at best with ever changing rules, this is how the Internet IS and as such unlikely to ever change. Any webmaster or designer that cannot or refuses to adapt will eventually perish.

What on earth are you going to do if they decide to depriciate some Javascript commands in the upcoming proposed re-write? Insist all web users use an older browser?

[Sunny Swing]

You clearly have misunderstood my last post.

Of course I want a PHP upgrade, because that would be the most logical, senseful, intelligent thing to do.

But since the 000WebHost Staff has clearly stated that such upgrade is not planned at this time, then I'm just asking them -ironically- if, according to their own "logic", they would dare tell all their users that such upgrade won't EVER take place. Which would be of course completely stupid.

So since I'm assuming that 000WebHost's Staff members are definitely NOT stupid, I'm also assuming such PHP upgrade WILL take place one day. Which makes all their technical arguments (older scripts not working, etc.) useless because the problem will be the same, sooner or later.

In other words : since such upgrade IS definitely going to take place one day (with all the benefits AND all the collateral problems), why not make it happen now instead of giving non-valid arguments ?

In fact the only valid argument I can see is "that would be so much work". Jeez, running a code update on 40 servers or so.... come on people, I may not be a PHP expert, but as an IT professional I guess that is definitely NOT so much work. Any qualified professional could do it in a fair amount of time. So that can't be the reason, that's all.

[lobrc]

You make no sense..

[Sunny Swing]

Please, prove your point. I'm curious. I' think I've proven mine, so I guess it's time you explain yourselves.

There might be some valid reasons why you refuse to upgrade, but in that case I think everyone here deserves to know them.

The "some old scripts won't run anymore" reason is not a valid one, because the longer you wait, the more old scripts there will be. Am I wrong ?

So come on, explain your reasons. I'll be happy to tell you "OK, that's a valid reason". Unfurtunately I can't tell you that yet.

[lobrc]

There's plenty of reasons; script compatibility, bugs, security to name a few

[Sunny Swing]

All right. And will these issues be resolved anytime in the future ? NO.
- Script compatibility : like I said, the more you wait, the more this will become a problem.
- Bugs : all you need to do is to act safely, and wait for a really STABLE version of PHP to come out. But I think that since your 5.2.* there might have already been some stable versions.
- Security : this can be almost anything, so I'm not sure of what you mean.

Well, I see your reasons and I understand them. All I'm saying is that such reasons still won't prevent you from upgrading PHP in the future anyway. Because you WILL do it eventually, and you know it.

[zajo]

I have to say that i agree with sunny. I do think the only one to say if something is too much work is the person who has to do it (which would be you).

However , like sunny said, problems with deprecated functions etc.. will only get worse.

I honestly had not noticed the php version for my own 'homebrewed' projects, however since i am now working on something with a framework (namely: symfony2) which requires php 5.3.2 I guess I will need some place else to run at least that project. I have been a rather contempt little php guy until now, but while sunny may have been a bit.. 'unfriendly' or 'direct' in the later posts it seemes fairly easy to grasp what he means.

When I first saw the old version in the controlpanel I actualy thought "maybe there is an 'update php' button somewhere for people who want it, that would be sweet" which goes to show how good the service from you guys has been so far (no, that is NOT irony, im actually saying 'you guys have been pretty great so far').

I cannot tell you how to run your place, and for me it boils down to "take it or leave it" which sadly, at least for this project, means "leave it", even though i have come to enjoy being here.

-a somewhat startled, slighlty confused and a fair bit disappointed 'customer'

PS: ironically i found this thread on google with 'site:000webhost.com', not with the internal search which i tried first.
PPS: sorry for the bump, just had to put in my two cents